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>    1. Re: [OAI-general] concerns about new OAIster	terms/conditions
>       (Hagedorn, Kat)
>    2. Re: [OAI-general] concerns about new OAIster	terms/conditions
>       (Leslie Carr)
>    3. Re: [OAI-general] concerns about new OAIster	terms/conditions
>       (Hagedorn, Kat)
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> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:50:06 -0400
> From: "Hagedorn, Kat" <khage at umich.edu>
> Subject: [OAI-implementers] Re: [OAI-general] concerns about new
> 	OAIster	terms/conditions
> To: "oai-general at openarchives.org" <oai-general at openarchives.org>,
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> Cc: "Hagedorn, Kat" <khage at umich.edu>
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> Hussein, Peter, all,
>
> OCLC's intent is to do what we did at University of Michigan, harvest the
> metadata. It is not the intent to go beyond that to capture the content
> itself. OCLC is working with their legal department on this issue.
> Unfortunately, that is all I can offer at the moment. I will provide more as
> it comes available.
>
> Regards,
>  -Kat 
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> On 9/22/09 12:37 PM, "Peter C. Gorman" <pgorman at library.wisc.edu> wrote:
>
>   
>> Hussein,
>>
>> I see what you mean - we don't have the legal right to grant OCLC
>> these permissions, except perhaps for PD or
>> institutionally-copyrighted materials. Much of what we host is by
>> non-transferrable permission of copyright holders, so we couldn't
>> agree to these terms, either - not as currently written.
>>
>> At 3:02 PM +0200 9/22/09, Hussein Suleman wrote:
>>     
>>> hi
>>>
>>> i recently received a request to register one of the IRs/archives i
>>> manage with OCLC, as OAIster transitions to OCLC.
>>>
>>> i am concerned that the terms and conditions cover both metadata AND
>>> all forms of data ... while OAIster harvested metadata, OCLC appears
>>> to want to claim more rights associated with digital objects. i
>>> believe this goes against one of the fundamental principles of the
>>> OAI-PMH - that we harvest metadata only.
>>>
>>> in most institutional repositories this is a minefield of legal
>>> problems, as the majority of commercial publishers only allow users
>>> to archive versions in their IRs with specific restrictions,
>>> different in each case (see RoMEO).
>>>
>>> we need to be aware that the rules are changing before we simply
>>> click on "I agree". personally, until this is resolved "I do not
>>> agree" :)
>>>
>>> ttfn,
>>> ----hussein
>>>
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> Kat Hagedorn 
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> Library Information Technology
> University of Michigan
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:46:31 +0100
> From: Leslie Carr <lac at ecs.soton.ac.uk>
> Subject: [OAI-implementers] Re: [OAI-general] concerns about new
> 	OAIster	terms/conditions
> To: "Hagedorn, Kat" <khage at umich.edu>
> Cc: "OAI-implementers at openarchives.org"
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> On 22 Sep 2009, at 20:50, Hagedorn, Kat wrote:
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>   
>> OCLC's intent is to do what we did at University of Michigan,  
>> harvest the
>> metadata. It is not the intent to go beyond that to capture the  
>> content
>> itself.
>>     
>
> The fact that that's exactly what they say they are going to do we can  
> probably pass off as a consequence of having a more pro-active  
> marketing department than legal department (thank heavens!)
>
> However, that sort of cast-iron legal guarantee cannot confidently be  
> granted to a third party for even the metadata.
> --
> Les Carr
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:24:15 -0400
> From: "Hagedorn, Kat" <khage at umich.edu>
> Subject: [OAI-implementers] Re: [OAI-general] concerns about new
> 	OAIster	terms/conditions
> To: "OAI-implementers at openarchives.org"
> 	<oai-implementers at openarchives.org>,	"oai-general at openarchives.org"
> 	<oai-general at openarchives.org>, "Peter C.	Gorman"
> 	<pgorman at library.wisc.edu>,	Simeon Warner <simeon.warner at cornell.edu>
> Cc: "Hagedorn, Kat" <khage at umich.edu>
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> >From Peter Gorman:
>   
>> Thanks for the reply. But even if OCLC's current intent is just to
>> harvest metadata, the license language very specifically mentions
>> content as well, and must have been inserted for some purpose.
>>     
>
> No, I think it was boilerplate. They are working on it.
>
>   
>> Furthermore, the phrase "made available to OCLC" could be construed
>> as applying to more than the harvesting context: URLs in metadata
>> records certainly make content available to OCLC.
>>     
>
> I will forward that to them.
>
> >From Simeon:
>   
>> I wonder whether OCLC
>> will remove all existing content from OAIster until people agree to
>> the new license? (Hopefully revised to something more rational.)
>>     
>
> No, they will not. It is not a requirement to sign that form. My guess is
> they will move quickly to change this, but that is only IMO.
>
>  -Kat
>
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